How to catch a Damsil?

When I was investigating starting my reef tank I was told by one LFS
that they would sell me 2 Domino Damsels for $10 to get my 29g tank
cycled. I was welcome to bring them back in a month or 2 for 1/2
credit. I have to admit I was quite happy with this offer. The store
owner was quite surprised when I brought them back 2 months later and
exchanged them both for a pair of Percula Clowns and an anemone. The
Damsels were doing quite well and were a bit larger than he was
expecting them to be. We had 35lbs. of live rock in the tank, Fluval
204 canister filter, 40lbs of live sand and a Corallife Aqualite
moonlight with a 65w 10K and a 65w Actinic. We let the tank sit empty
for 3 weeks and there was no spike in any reading. We added the Dominos
and we had all spikes as expected in 2 weeks. 6 months later we
migrated to one of our 75 gallon tanks and made the 29 a Molly only
tank.

My anemone was almost a victim of the Fluval intake. We got a foam
filter for it after this incident. A 2nd anemone managed to commit
powerhead-icide. Just when I thought this was too far out of the way to
reach he decided to climb the live rock and jump for it.

Now that we know to feed Chip the Chocolate Chip Star twice a week we
haven't lost any more anemones and the P. and O. Clowns are happy.

OK. Its late and I'm rambling again ...

Back to the point. I wouldn't have even considered cycling the tank
with Damsels until it was suggested by the LFS owner. If it wasn't for
the fact that I wanted the clowns and anemones I would probably still
have them.

Enjoy,
Greg

KurtG wrote:
Tristan wrote:
I can honestly say I have only ever had one fish in the damsel family,
a blue devil, and it was bought by my son and was placed in the one
tank without my or the wifes permission.

AFAIK, Damsils are considered "starter fish" because you can add them to
a new aquarium w/ live rock to provide ammonia load and get the system
cycled and running. They are cheap and hardy enough to survive this
environment.

Problem is that they are fairly docile when immature, but grow
increasingly aggressive as they age and can only be kept with other
aggressive species. This blue fin damsel will actually turn black over
time.

As for the offending damsil, I've been planning on a second tank with
more aggressive fish (no corals or anemone), so he'll be my first if he
survives long enough.

--Kurt

I am not for using damsels to cycle a tank. Why? There is other means
to do it without using a fish that in all probability no one is going
to want to keep afterwards. You had live rock, that was sufficieint to
initiate a cycle all by itself so wsa the live sand.

On 19 Dec 2006 21:59:23 -0800, "
wrote:

When I was investigating starting my reef tank I was told by one LFS
that they would sell me 2 Domino Damsels for $10 to get my 29g tank
cycled. I was welcome to bring them back in a month or 2 for 1/2
credit. I have to admit I was quite happy with this offer. The store
owner was quite surprised when I brought them back 2 months later and
exchanged them both for a pair of Percula Clowns and an anemone. The
Damsels were doing quite well and were a bit larger than he was
expecting them to be. We had 35lbs. of live rock in the tank, Fluval
204 canister filter, 40lbs of live sand and a Corallife Aqualite
moonlight with a 65w 10K and a 65w Actinic. We let the tank sit empty
for 3 weeks and there was no spike in any reading. We added the Dominos
and we had all spikes as expected in 2 weeks. 6 months later we
migrated to one of our 75 gallon tanks and made the 29 a Molly only
tank.

My anemone was almost a victim of the Fluval intake. We got a foam
filter for it after this incident. A 2nd anemone managed to commit
powerhead-icide. Just when I thought this was too far out of the way to
reach he decided to climb the live rock and jump for it.

Now that we know to feed Chip the Chocolate Chip Star twice a week we
haven't lost any more anemones and the P. and O. Clowns are happy.

OK. Its late and I'm rambling again ...

Back to the point. I wouldn't have even considered cycling the tank
with Damsels until it was suggested by the LFS owner. If it wasn't for
the fact that I wanted the clowns and anemones I would probably still
have them.

Enjoy,
Greg

KurtG wrote:
Tristan wrote:
I can honestly say I have only ever had one fish in the damsel family,
a blue devil, and it was bought by my son and was placed in the one
tank without my or the wifes permission.

AFAIK, Damsils are considered "starter fish" because you can add them to
a new aquarium w/ live rock to provide ammonia load and get the system
cycled and running. They are cheap and hardy enough to survive this
environment.

Problem is that they are fairly docile when immature, but grow
increasingly aggressive as they age and can only be kept with other
aggressive species. This blue fin damsel will actually turn black over
time.

As for the offending damsil, I've been planning on a second tank with
more aggressive fish (no corals or anemone), so he'll be my first if he
survives long enough.

--Kurt



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

It's no joke, a tiny hook works best for the most
aggressive fish, ie the one that will be the first to take
the bait.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



KurtG wrote on 12/17/2006 7:25 PM:
Tristan wrote:
Short of a spear gun or dynamite Damsels are tough fish to catch ;-)


The 2 liter bottle trap caught my coral beauty and the offending damsel
in about 3 minutes. He's already in my quarantine tank.

I hope you weren't kidding about the fish hook. The smallest I could
find was #10 and it was just too big. Although, I almost nailed a Tang.
I pulled out the hook in the nick of time.

However, I gave up wondering if it was a joke. :-) A smaller hook
would have worked.

--Kurt

I kow in a lot of areas a small tiny hook is not the eaisest thing to
find. SOme folks use salmon egg hooks and others use a hook which
looks like a segment of a circle. You can always take a hook (as small
as yu can find), and heat it with a cigarette lighter to red hot and
use a needle nose pliers to reform the hook point to shank distance
to a smaller dimension, and then squeeze in the barb. Heating will
take the temper out of the hook which may be a problem if your trying
to catch dinner or looking for that world record fish, but a one time
deal on a aquarium fish it should not be a problem.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:43:33 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

It's no joke, a tiny hook works best for the most
aggressive fish, ie the one that will be the first to take
the bait.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



KurtG wrote on 12/17/2006 7:25 PM:
Tristan wrote:
Short of a spear gun or dynamite Damsels are tough fish to catch ;-)


The 2 liter bottle trap caught my coral beauty and the offending damsel
in about 3 minutes. He's already in my quarantine tank.

I hope you weren't kidding about the fish hook. The smallest I could
find was #10 and it was just too big. Although, I almost nailed a Tang.
I pulled out the hook in the nick of time.

However, I gave up wondering if it was a joke. :-) A smaller hook
would have worked.

--Kurt




-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

wrote on 12/20/2006 12:59 AM:
Now that we know to feed Chip the Chocolate Chip Star twice a week we
haven't lost any more anemones


Don't count on it :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Wayne Sallee wrote:
Don't count on it :-)

Isn't that the truth!

I'm wondering if any of you managed to see my next post on Stars and
Clowns and Anemones. It sure didn't take long for me to have to eat
these words.

Greg

KurtG wrote:
Wayne Sallee wrote:
Don't count on it :-)

Isn't that the truth!

hehe yep :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



wrote on 12/21/2006 9:55 PM:
I'm wondering if any of you managed to see my next post on Stars and
Clowns and Anemones. It sure didn't take long for me to have to eat
these words.

Greg

KurtG wrote:
Wayne Sallee wrote:
Don't count on it :-)
Isn't that the truth!