moving: 2 day drive..how's this sound?

Ok the big move fromm Coeur d'Alene, ID to Chicago is fast approuching
within the next week. Here's the tentative plan to move the: 2 clown loach,
3 painted swordtails, 3 pearl danios, and 3 mnt.cld.minnows
....of coarse Im weighing severel options to see if I should rather just
return the fish to the lfs for credit and the ensured (more ensured anyway)
safety of these fish Ive become attatched to (mostly the clown loaches).
Im packing the 30g, but have a 10g that I plan on moving the fish in
(again if I choose this option). The ten gallon has recently been set up
with water change water from the 30g+a aqualand filter that came stock with
my 30g setup, also heater, light etc.
Goes down like this: half full ten gallon goes in car, flat back seat
floorboard, fill up with treated water to 80% full, plug filter and heater
back in using a device (transporter or somethinglike that) to the cig.
lighter arrive at first stop later that night, carry tank into hotel room,
plug in for night. Next morning same drill (except removing water as this
might be too much of a shock to the fish (not that moving halfway cross the
country wont shock the hell out of them anyway)), Finish off trip that day
arrive at new apt. that night plug the H.O.T. in and run it in the 10g for
the time before 30g arrives, 30g arrives water change 10g (50%) into the
30g, plug H.O.T. back into 30g run for a couple of days to a week (checking
chemical levels of coarse) to see where the tank lies in respect to being
established. Finally move fish (couple every two days, starting with the
clown loaches) back into the 30g. Ok, this is going to be a pain. Even
after typing this Im looking at it saying 'just return the fish, it takes so
much out of the move+the fish safety' but even though Im seeing this much
more clearly here I'd appreciatte it if you ladies and gentlement out there
would throw in your two cents..or how ever many cents you feel like
donating. Cheers, Brian




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I moved from Dallas to Phoenix with a guppy, two platys, American Flag fish
male and a Rubber Lipped Pleco in a seven gallon bowfront. All I did was
drain the tank down to 1/3 full and loaded them into the back of my Explorer
with the rest of my crap and three cats. No fancy car cigarette adapter or
anything of the sort. Loaded a 5 gallon bucket with water from Dallas
(already knew there would be a BIG difference in water conditions between
Dallas and Phoenix as I had checked out Phx water on the website) and when I
arrived in Phx I refilled the tank with Dallas water and then began the task
of mixing the water slowly over the next few weeks until they had adjusted
to Phx water. Didn't lose a single fish and still have them all almost a
year later! I would think the danios and swordtails would make it as these
are pretty tough guys but I don't know about the rest... I plan on using the
same technique when I move to the Pacific NW in a year or so only this time
I will have a 55 gal. to deal with. I only plan on taking the original fish
I brought here with me as they are my favs but now the male American Flag
has a girlfriend to consider and there are a couple of Dojo loaches and a
tank full of plants I don't want to get rid of so they will probably come
too. I still plan on doing the same thing as it has worked once... only on a
bigger scale this time.

In article ,
Surgicalrn wrote:


I moved from Dallas to Phoenix with a guppy, two platys, American Flag fish
male and a Rubber Lipped Pleco in a seven gallon bowfront.

Is there any advantage to moving them in a clear tank, as opposed to a bucket?

yeah... when your packing all the crap in your car you have one less item to
move! You gotta move the tank anyway so why add a bucket to your load too?

"Brian" wrote in message
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Ok the big move fromm Coeur d'Alene, ID to Chicago is fast approuching
within the next week. Here's the tentative plan to move the: 2 clown
loach,
3 painted swordtails, 3 pearl danios, and 3 mnt.cld.minnows
...of coarse Im weighing severel options to see if I should rather just
return the fish to the lfs for credit and the ensured (more ensured
anyway)
safety of these fish Ive become attatched to (mostly the clown loaches).
Im packing the 30g, but have a 10g that I plan on moving the fish in
(again if I choose this option). The ten gallon has recently been set up
with water change water from the 30g+a aqualand filter that came stock
with
my 30g setup, also heater, light etc.
Goes down like this: half full ten gallon goes in car, flat back seat
floorboard, fill up with treated water to 80% full, plug filter and heater
back in using a device (transporter or somethinglike that) to the cig.
lighter arrive at first stop later that night, carry tank into hotel room,
plug in for night. Next morning same drill (except removing water as this
might be too much of a shock to the fish (not that moving halfway cross
the
country wont shock the hell out of them anyway)), Finish off trip that
day
arrive at new apt. that night plug the H.O.T. in and run it in the 10g for
the time before 30g arrives, 30g arrives water change 10g (50%) into the
30g, plug H.O.T. back into 30g run for a couple of days to a week
(checking
chemical levels of coarse) to see where the tank lies in respect to being
established. Finally move fish (couple every two days, starting with the
clown loaches) back into the 30g. Ok, this is going to be a pain. Even
after typing this Im looking at it saying 'just return the fish, it takes
so
much out of the move+the fish safety' but even though Im seeing this much
more clearly here I'd appreciatte it if you ladies and gentlement out
there
would throw in your two cents..or how ever many cents you feel like
donating. Cheers, Brian


here is what I would do. Catch fish, put water in plastic fish bags and or
breathable fish bags. If in plastic bags leave lots of room for air. Seal
bags tightly, adding one bag buddy to each bag. Put fish in cooler and pack
around them with newspaper or packing peanuts. drive to Chicago. The fish
will be fine. If your able to keep your H.O.T running using a 12 v inverter
that would be a bonus otherwise pack it up, refill when you get to Chicago
and monitor you ammonia and nitrate levels until filter recycles.

Rick

here is what I would do. Catch fish, put water in plastic fish bags and or
breathable fish bags. If in plastic bags leave lots of room for air. Seal
bags tightly, adding one bag buddy to each bag. Put fish in cooler and
pack
around them with newspaper or packing peanuts. drive to Chicago. The fish
will be fine. If your able to keep your H.O.T running using a 12 v
inverter
that would be a bonus otherwise pack it up, refill when you get to Chicago
and monitor you ammonia and nitrate levels until filter recycles.

Rick

Thanks Rick, here's what I plan on doing (seeing how we are leaving tommarow
morning). The ten gallon has been up and running with fish for two days
now. Not going the inverter route, but I am leaving the H.O.T. in the
aquarium, at night I will plug it in at the hotel room , but will my bio
filtration survive 12 hours on the road, granted it will be constatnly
submered in tank water+I plan on cupping some tank water at bathroom/gas
stops and pouring it through the media. The ten will be tempeture fine due
to us keeping the car at higher than room temp and be covered by a couple
towels just to settle the fish. Air stones will be added on both days so
surface agitation should be covered, and water from here will be in a bucket
as to slowly introduce the new chicago water to the fish. How does that
sound? Im fairly sure Ive covered all the angles but I would appreciate some
feedback. Cheers, Brian





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Thanks Rick, here's what I plan on doing (seeing how we are leaving
tommarow
morning). The ten gallon has been up and running with fish for two days
now. Not going the inverter route, but I am leaving the H.O.T. in the
aquarium, at night I will plug it in at the hotel room , but will my bio
filtration survive 12 hours on the road, granted it will be constatnly
submered in tank water+I plan on cupping some tank water at bathroom/gas
stops and pouring it through the media. The ten will be tempeture fine
due
to us keeping the car at higher than room temp and be covered by a couple
towels just to settle the fish. Air stones will be added on both days so
surface agitation should be covered, and water from here will be in a
bucket
as to slowly introduce the new chicago water to the fish. How does that
sound? Im fairly sure Ive covered all the angles but I would appreciate
some
feedback. Cheers, Brian



I would not use tap water over the media. Tap water contains chlorine and
chlorine will kill the beneficial bacteria on the filter media. Remember the
basics , when doing water changes and cleaning your filter media always
rinse it in the tank water, never under the tap. So if possible take a jug
of water from the tank when you drain off the extra water and take along a
gallon or two. The question I cannot answer for sure is whether that
bacteria will survive 12 hours without water running over it. There are
different thoughts on this but I think you will find that the media
requires water flowing over or through it to keep the bacteria alive. I'm
thinking that 12 hours is pushing that envelope. Those inverters from
Canadian Tire are only about 20 bucks for a single outlet, slightly more for
the 400 watt model with two outlets. You could plug your HOT in and let her
run in the tank for the entire trip. In any event I think your pretty much
on top of things.

Rick

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Thanks Rick, here's what I plan on doing (seeing how we are leaving
tommarow
morning). The ten gallon has been up and running with fish for two days
now. Not going the inverter route, but I am leaving the H.O.T. in the
aquarium, at night I will plug it in at the hotel room , but will my bio
filtration survive 12 hours on the road, granted it will be constatnly
submered in tank water+I plan on cupping some tank water at bathroom/gas
stops and pouring it through the media. The ten will be tempeture fine
due
to us keeping the car at higher than room temp and be covered by a
couple
towels just to settle the fish. Air stones will be added on both days
so
surface agitation should be covered, and water from here will be in a
bucket
as to slowly introduce the new chicago water to the fish. How does that
sound? Im fairly sure Ive covered all the angles but I would appreciate
some
feedback. Cheers, Brian



I would not use tap water over the media. Tap water contains chlorine and
chlorine will kill the beneficial bacteria on the filter media. Remember
the
basics , when doing water changes and cleaning your filter media always
rinse it in the tank water, never under the tap. So if possible take a jug
of water from the tank when you drain off the extra water and take along a
gallon or two. The question I cannot answer for sure is whether that
bacteria will survive 12 hours without water running over it. There are
different thoughts on this but I think you will find that the media
requires water flowing over or through it to keep the bacteria alive. I'm
thinking that 12 hours is pushing that envelope. Those inverters from
Canadian Tire are only about 20 bucks for a single outlet, slightly more
for
the 400 watt model with two outlets. You could plug your HOT in and let
her
run in the tank for the entire trip. In any event I think your pretty much
on top of things.

Rick

Thanks again, I went ahead and grabbed the inverter, but just for the record
I never would have run untreated tap over the media/anything in the tank.
In the original post I meant cupping water from the tank and running it over
the media. In any event, Im on my way and Ill be sure to post letting you
know how it went. Cheers, Brian





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