Blueberry Oscars?

"D Perri" wrote in message
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JK:
I got the impression from "nonames" post that disposing of fry that
didn't meet color specs wouldn't be "OK" either ... perhaps she didn't
know that this was common pracice ....



I was simply comparing their distaste for coloring vs selective
breeding. My point was that our LFS stock has very often been "made" to look
a certain way, to generate interest and sales. It may be color, size, shape,
etc. Where do we draw the line in terms of our anger? For some purists,
only natural caught stock is acceptable. For others the quest for that new
look, justifys almost anything. Most of my lifetime experience is with live
bearers, and specifically guppies. Serious breeders flush millions of fry,
in attempts to perfect or maintain a strain. You can't afford to feed and
store all your babies, especially if they aren't what you are looking for.
Maybe it's different with Cichlids?

--
JK Sinrod NY
Sinrod Stained Glass
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

Most colour mutations ,occur by pure chance, be they Fish,. Birds, or White
Tigers,
Its up to the breeder to spot the difference, and over time develop the
colout fault, until it
has developed into a self sustaining strain, of that colour mutation..
The poster that commented on , how many fish fry, are flushed, due to
colour variation
being wrong, is having himself on, Totally.. Any young // small fish does
not develop it,s colour until it's grown beyond the fry stage. So to look
at fry and say there the wrong colour , is a joke.. As for the Albino
strain, Again there are Albino mutations in every living thing,
[even people] Its up to the breeder to spot the Pink eye's , and go from
there..
As for "Noname" with his coloured Oscars, Why not name the LFS concerned,
if you feel
so strongly, about the subject.. We as fellow readers // subscribers only
have your word, for what goes on at your local LFS, But if local subscribers
to this group personal know of the LFS concerned , they can give the place a
wide berth.

bassett


Kelly wrote in message
I haven't seen the oscar, but our local LFS has albino catfish with green
and purple ends, and I heard they are injected as well, so have stayed
away
from them, I can see the color fade every time I'm in the store. They were
charging double the regular price as well, and I agree it is sick. I'd
tell
your kids what happened and why so they know to research on thier own
before
buying the "pretty" fish. If you want blue fish, try some african
cichlids,
or bettas, every color blue you can think of, and they are wonderful to
breed

Actually, I do believe there is something incredibly different between
breeding in desired traits and artificially forcing them on a fish. Just
look at the life lifespan estimates she give. you are lucky for one of these
to live a year when a non-dyed Oscar can live for 5 no problem. That should
tell you something about the difference between breeding in some blue and
chocking the fish full of dye that dissapears over time anyway just to make
a quick buck off the uninformed. Huge difference.


"jk" wrote in message
et...

"D Perri" wrote in message
...
JK:
I got the impression from "nonames" post that disposing of fry that
didn't meet color specs wouldn't be "OK" either ... perhaps she didn't
know that this was common pracice ....



I was simply comparing their distaste for coloring vs selective
breeding. My point was that our LFS stock has very often been "made" to
look
a certain way, to generate interest and sales. It may be color, size,
shape,
etc. Where do we draw the line in terms of our anger? For some purists,
only natural caught stock is acceptable. For others the quest for that new
look, justifys almost anything. Most of my lifetime experience is with
live
bearers, and specifically guppies. Serious breeders flush millions of fry,
in attempts to perfect or maintain a strain. You can't afford to feed and
store all your babies, especially if they aren't what you are looking for.
Maybe it's different with Cichlids?

--
JK Sinrod NY
Sinrod Stained Glass
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

Good point Bassett, the injected catfish I saw are at Pets Unlimited here in
Halifax, Nova Scotia. I have purchased fish from them in the past, and will
in the future, and I usually buy all my food there, and some africans, but
the prices are outrageous for cichlids! ($20 for a baby) Anyways what I've
learned from the whole experience is not to impulse buy, if I see something
I like, I'll ask the people there, and as that is usually pointless (most
stores, not just pets) I'll go home and do some research on the net before
going back to purchase.

Not to mention that the needles they use to inject the fish is the
equivalent of a human getting injected w/ billiards cue. only a fraction of
the ones injected actually survive to make it to market,and only a fraction
of those survive to actually loose the color.

"Keester" wrote in message
. net...
Actually, I do believe there is something incredibly different between
breeding in desired traits and artificially forcing them on a fish. Just
look at the life lifespan estimates she give. you are lucky for one of
these
to live a year when a non-dyed Oscar can live for 5 no problem. That
should
tell you something about the difference between breeding in some blue and
chocking the fish full of dye that dissapears over time anyway just to
make
a quick buck off the uninformed. Huge difference.


"jk" wrote in message
et...

"D Perri" wrote in message
...
JK:
I got the impression from "nonames" post that disposing of fry that
didn't meet color specs wouldn't be "OK" either ... perhaps she didn't
know that this was common pracice ....



I was simply comparing their distaste for coloring vs selective
breeding. My point was that our LFS stock has very often been "made" to
look
a certain way, to generate interest and sales. It may be color, size,
shape,
etc. Where do we draw the line in terms of our anger? For some purists,
only natural caught stock is acceptable. For others the quest for that
new
look, justifys almost anything. Most of my lifetime experience is with
live
bearers, and specifically guppies. Serious breeders flush millions of
fry,
in attempts to perfect or maintain a strain. You can't afford to feed
and
store all your babies, especially if they aren't what you are looking
for.
Maybe it's different with Cichlids?

--
JK Sinrod NY
Sinrod Stained Glass
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

"bassett" wrote in message ...

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As for the Albino
strain, Again there are Albino mutations in every living thing,
[even people]
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Just to clear up any confusion, the "albino" Oscar is not a true
albino, but is a color strain. --Mark

"Mark Stone" wrote in message
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"bassett" wrote in message
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[snipped]
As for the Albino
strain, Again there are Albino mutations in every living thing,
[even people]
[snipped]

Just to clear up any confusion, the "albino" Oscar is not a true
albino, but is a color strain. --Mark

What makes them "not true albinos"? Do they have some black pigment?

Could you please explain further,, how is it that a Pink eyed, White skinned
fish, with fins that have a pinkish tinge, are not an Albino
While I don,t doubt for one minute that there my be a White Oscar,
or a White anything for that matter. There is a very big difference between
White and Albino, The main one being that the Albino strain has a recessive
gene, and in some cases are infertile.
It is also thought that in some cases the Albino strain is sex linked..

bassett

Mark Stone wrote in message
Just to clear up any confusion, the "albino" Oscar is not a true
albino, but is a color strain. --Mark

"bassett" wrote in message
[snipped]
As for the Albino
strain, Again there are Albino mutations in every living thing,
[even people]
[snipped]

"bassett" wrote in message ...
Could you please explain further,, how is it that a Pink eyed, White skinned
fish, with fins that have a pinkish tinge, are not an Albino
While I don,t doubt for one minute that there my be a White Oscar,
or a White anything for that matter. There is a very big difference between
White and Albino, The main one being that the Albino strain has a recessive
gene, and in some cases are infertile.
It is also thought that in some cases the Albino strain is sex linked..

bassett

Hi Bassett --

The white colored Oscars that have become very common at LFSs and even
at chain pet stores are not albinos, but nevertheless are called so
(perhaps as a marketing ploy). They are strong, aggressive, grow
rapidly (in my experience a bit faster that orange Tigers) and breed
like gangbusters. When and how they got the name "albino" even though
they are not is a mystery to me (although I can assume it's the
color), but they're stuck with it! I've heard that true albinos are
available, but have never actually seen one in a local shop.

The "Albino" (so called) Oscars available in my area have stunning
gold colored eyes and very bright orange pigment in the eyespots and
the "tiger" markings on the sides. My understanding is that these
white Oscars are the ones victimized by the Dye predators.

--Mark


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"Sarotherodon" wrote in message ...


What makes them "not true albinos"? Do they have some black pigment?

They're simply white fish that have been given the name Albino,
although they are not. -- See my response to Bassett --

--Mark