Shredded tail fins?!?

When I came home from work last night, my black moor's tail fins were totally
shredded, and he's missing some scales on his side. I have absolutely no idea
what happened - there are two other gf in the tank but I've never seen them
attack one another. The substrate is large rounded natural stone. There's
nothing sharp in the tank. I have a "basket" over the end of the filter intake
to keep the fish from getting sucked into it.

My other two gf, a ryukin and an oranda, are just fine. But the moor's tail is
shredded, it's probably in a dozen long strips or more.

Water quality is great - just did a 30% water change a few days back, ammonia
and nitrites at 0 and nitrates are around 10ppm. PH is 7.2, which is what it
has always been. No changes recently in the tank, food, or filter.

So I have two questions. First, what in the world happened, and second, is
there anything I can do for the poor guy? He is having trouble swimming, but
is able to get around slowly and did eat this morning.




Amanda

Because im not yet 'up there' with all the fishkeeping business I might not
be that good at helping but anyway... all I can say is that you need to keep
and eye on him {I think there has been some 'fin nipping' going on and he
was the one that got it}.make sure he gets some food at feeding time and
WATCH OUT for any infections. it will take a while for him to heal.

Mat
"AGreen1209" wrote in message
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When I came home from work last night, my black moor's tail fins were
totally
shredded, and he's missing some scales on his side. I have absolutely no
idea
what happened - there are two other gf in the tank but I've never seen
them
attack one another. The substrate is large rounded natural stone.
There's
nothing sharp in the tank. I have a "basket" over the end of the filter
intake
to keep the fish from getting sucked into it.

My other two gf, a ryukin and an oranda, are just fine. But the moor's
tail is
shredded, it's probably in a dozen long strips or more.

Water quality is great - just did a 30% water change a few days back,
ammonia
and nitrites at 0 and nitrates are around 10ppm. PH is 7.2, which is what
it
has always been. No changes recently in the tank, food, or filter.

So I have two questions. First, what in the world happened, and second,
is
there anything I can do for the poor guy? He is having trouble swimming,
but
is able to get around slowly and did eat this morning.




Amanda

AGreen1209 wrote:

So I have two questions. First, what in the world happened, and
second, is there anything I can do for the poor guy?

1) No clue
2) If you don't have aquarium salt in there normally, you might add 1
teaspoon per 5 gallons to help him heal. (and another 1 teas/5 gal
tomorrow, and one more the day after that, to a total concentration of
3 teaspoons/5 gallons).

How old/how long has the tank been running?

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

this is usually a sign that there is something really really wrong with water
quality. OR, the fish is end stage. I call this "shattering" (like silk). I would
definitely isolate the fish and if you got salt, take it out, if not, add some, but
tub to tub would be the best treatment, fresh water with a bit of salt.
http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/p...se/disease.htm
do the physical and see if the slime coat is really bad.
Ingrid

ospam (AGreen1209) wrote:

When I came home from work last night, my black moor's tail fins were totally
shredded, and he's missing some scales on his side. I have absolutely no idea
what happened - there are two other gf in the tank but I've never seen them
attack one another. The substrate is large rounded natural stone. There's
nothing sharp in the tank. I have a "basket" over the end of the filter intake
to keep the fish from getting sucked into it.

My other two gf, a ryukin and an oranda, are just fine. But the moor's tail is
shredded, it's probably in a dozen long strips or more.

Water quality is great - just did a 30% water change a few days back, ammonia
and nitrites at 0 and nitrates are around 10ppm. PH is 7.2, which is what it
has always been. No changes recently in the tank, food, or filter.

So I have two questions. First, what in the world happened, and second, is
there anything I can do for the poor guy? He is having trouble swimming, but
is able to get around slowly and did eat this morning.




Amanda




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If all your parameters are OK, and all your fish are healthy
otherwise, it might be that the moor is a female and at least one of
your others is male. Do you live where all the storms have been
passing through? I've been hearing other goldfish keepers reporting
rampant spawning during this last wave of storms. My fish have been
unusually aggressive in the last week as well, and there has been some
tail biting.




ospam (AGreen1209) wrote:

When I came home from work last night, my black moor's tail fins were totally
shredded, and he's missing some scales on his side. I have absolutely no idea
what happened - there are two other gf in the tank but I've never seen them
attack one another. The substrate is large rounded natural stone. There's
nothing sharp in the tank. I have a "basket" over the end of the filter intake
to keep the fish from getting sucked into it.

My other two gf, a ryukin and an oranda, are just fine. But the moor's tail is
shredded, it's probably in a dozen long strips or more.

Water quality is great - just did a 30% water change a few days back, ammonia
and nitrites at 0 and nitrates are around 10ppm. PH is 7.2, which is what it
has always been. No changes recently in the tank, food, or filter.

So I have two questions. First, what in the world happened, and second, is
there anything I can do for the poor guy? He is having trouble swimming, but
is able to get around slowly and did eat this morning.




Amanda




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

If all your parameters are OK, and all your fish are healthy
otherwise, it might be that the moor is a female and at least one of
your others is male.

That is a possibility. The moor and the ryukin have been together for nine
months, but the oranda is a newer addition, he's been in the tank for a month.
I've never seen any aggressive behavior, except for the ryukin nipping at the
oranda the first ten minutes they were together in the tank.

The moor is acting better today, swimming around a bit. He's been eating
fairly well, too. Hopefully he'll pull through, but will his tail always be
shredded? Or does that eventually heal?


Amanda

AGreen1209 wrote:

The moor is acting better today, swimming around a bit. He's been
eating fairly well, too. Hopefully he'll pull through, but will his
tail always be
shredded? Or does that eventually heal?

No experience with goldies in this regard, but my betta males generally
recover from blown out tails in 2 to 4 weeks.

I had one betta male that decided that the female bristlenose pl3co in
his tank was an annoyance. You should have seen it. The betta flaring
and flaring and chasing the poor pl3co (4 or 5 times his size) around.

I could almost read Tula's mind... "Hey boss!?! Could you do something
about that pipsqueak, he's really starting to get on my nerves..."

Anyhow in that instance the betta had flared his tail into little
tatters. It only took a couple weeks to re-grow.

Since that betta also had a taste for eating neon tetras he soon found
himself in solitary. A real psychopath, even amongst bettas.

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

if you put the new fish right in chances are the new fish brought in cooties and that
infected the moor the worst. need to quarantine new fish for a month. Ingrid

ospam (AGreen1209) wrote:

If all your parameters are OK, and all your fish are healthy
otherwise, it might be that the moor is a female and at least one of
your others is male.

That is a possibility. The moor and the ryukin have been together for nine
months, but the oranda is a newer addition, he's been in the tank for a month.
I've never seen any aggressive behavior, except for the ryukin nipping at the
oranda the first ten minutes they were together in the tank.

The moor is acting better today, swimming around a bit. He's been eating
fairly well, too. Hopefully he'll pull through, but will his tail always be
shredded? Or does that eventually heal?


Amanda




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.