Koi out of pond

I have a 10" Koi who was out of the pond when I got home tonight. Not
completely dry but not breathing. Got him back in water and moved him
by hand to get some water flowing through gills. He started breathing
but still very weak. He's on side and having difficulty moving at all.
tends to drift down but is breathing. Water temp is about 40 degrees.
Pond has a pump filter and I put him in the flow from the pump where
it re-enters the water.
Am I stressing him too much by moving him around?
Should I move him to warmer water?
If so, should it be done immediately and how fast do I raise the
temperature?
Will it stress him or subject him diseases?

Yowza! Poor fish! On the plus side, he's still alive. On the negative side,
it's awful darn cold (which is, in a way, also a plus). Hopefully you have a
quarantine tank somewhere. I'd move the fish, along with some of his pond
water, to the Q-tank. Install a large airstone and a heater. Raise the temp
and keep the air going. Maybe add some salt to the 1.5 - 2 ppm range. The
fish has probably been seriously compromised, so consider him a houseguest
until the pond warms. You may be stressing him by moving him, but the
alternative to NOT moving him isn't too pleasant. Watch the water parameters
like a HAWK.

Good luck!
Lee

"Larry" wrote in message
om...
I have a 10" Koi who was out of the pond when I got home tonight. Not
completely dry but not breathing. Got him back in water and moved him
by hand to get some water flowing through gills. He started breathing
but still very weak. He's on side and having difficulty moving at all.
tends to drift down but is breathing. Water temp is about 40 degrees.
Pond has a pump filter and I put him in the flow from the pump where
it re-enters the water.
Am I stressing him too much by moving him around?
Should I move him to warmer water?
If so, should it be done immediately and how fast do I raise the
temperature?
Will it stress him or subject him diseases?

Be careful, not sure I'd make it too warm. Bringing him inside will
put him from 40 to about 70 degrees over a few hours...might be a
shock.

Be careful, not sure I'd make it too warm. Bringing him inside will
put him from 40 to about 70 degrees over a few hours...might be a
shock.

Yowza! Poor fish! On the plus side, he's still alive. On the negative side,
it's awful darn cold (which is, in a way, also a plus). Hopefully you have a
quarantine tank somewhere. I'd move the fish, along with some of his pond
water, to the Q-tank. Install a large airstone and a heater. Raise the temp
and keep the air going. Maybe add some salt to the 1.5 - 2 ppm range. The
fish has probably been seriously compromised, so consider him a houseguest
until the pond warms. You may be stressing him by moving him, but the
alternative to NOT moving him isn't too pleasant. Watch the water parameters
like a HAWK.

Good luck!
Lee

"Larry" wrote in message
om...
I have a 10" Koi who was out of the pond when I got home tonight. Not
completely dry but not breathing. Got him back in water and moved him
by hand to get some water flowing through gills. He started breathing
but still very weak. He's on side and having difficulty moving at all.
tends to drift down but is breathing. Water temp is about 40 degrees.
Pond has a pump filter and I put him in the flow from the pump where
it re-enters the water.
Am I stressing him too much by moving him around?
Should I move him to warmer water?
If so, should it be done immediately and how fast do I raise the
temperature?
Will it stress him or subject him diseases?

leave him out in the pond, dont raise the temperature cause his gills are the most
affected. cold water holds more oxygen and there is less demand by his body for
oxygen at lower temps, lower metabolism.
DO check your water quality parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH ...
something made him jump, could be spawning, could be predators.
and add some salt to teh pond if you dont have it in there already... around 1 lb per
100 gallons. he should come around in 48 hours or so. INgrid

(Larry) wrote:

I have a 10" Koi who was out of the pond when I got home tonight. Not
completely dry but not breathing. Got him back in water and moved him
by hand to get some water flowing through gills. He started breathing
but still very weak. He's on side and having difficulty moving at all.
tends to drift down but is breathing. Water temp is about 40 degrees.
Pond has a pump filter and I put him in the flow from the pump where
it re-enters the water.
Am I stressing him too much by moving him around?
Should I move him to warmer water?
If so, should it be done immediately and how fast do I raise the
temperature?
Will it stress him or subject him diseases?



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In article , dr-
says...
leave him out in the pond, dont raise the temperature cause his gills are the most
affected. cold water holds more oxygen and there is less demand by his body for
oxygen at lower temps, lower metabolism.
DO check your water quality parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH ...
something made him jump, could be spawning, could be predators.
and add some salt to teh pond if you dont have it in there already... around 1 lb per
100 gallons. he should come around in 48 hours or so. INgrid

(Larry) wrote:

I have a 10" Koi who was out of the pond when I got home tonight. Not
completely dry but not breathing. Got him back in water and moved him
by hand to get some water flowing through gills. He started breathing
but still very weak. He's on side and having difficulty moving at all.
tends to drift down but is breathing. Water temp is about 40 degrees.
Pond has a pump filter and I put him in the flow from the pump where
it re-enters the water.
Am I stressing him too much by moving him around?
Should I move him to warmer water?
If so, should it be done immediately and how fast do I raise the
temperature?
Will it stress him or subject him diseases?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

I added salt and did not raise the temperature. He continues to breath
but he has red splotches on his skin. Looks almost like abrasions and
his skin feels rough like the slime coat is missing in those spots.
I wonder if his flopping around while out of the pond abraded his skin
and now he needs warmth and a raised metabolism to heal. Water temp is
48 degrees.

If the temperature is approaching 50, get some KoiZyme and start putting it
in the pond to prevent infection. There are no substitutes, and it is the
best stuff that I have found. It does require the water temperature to be
50 degrees and higher.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"free.teranews.com" wrote in message
s.com...
In article , dr-
says...
leave him out in the pond, dont raise the temperature cause his gills
are the most
affected. cold water holds more oxygen and there is less demand by his
body for
oxygen at lower temps, lower metabolism.
DO check your water quality parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and
pH ...
something made him jump, could be spawning, could be predators.
and add some salt to teh pond if you dont have it in there already...
around 1 lb per
100 gallons. he should come around in 48 hours or so. INgrid

(Larry) wrote:

I have a 10" Koi who was out of the pond when I got home tonight. Not
completely dry but not breathing. Got him back in water and moved him
by hand to get some water flowing through gills. He started breathing
but still very weak. He's on side and having difficulty moving at all.
tends to drift down but is breathing. Water temp is about 40 degrees.
Pond has a pump filter and I put him in the flow from the pump where
it re-enters the water.
Am I stressing him too much by moving him around?
Should I move him to warmer water?
If so, should it be done immediately and how fast do I raise the
temperature?
Will it stress him or subject him diseases?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

I added salt and did not raise the temperature. He continues to breath
but he has red splotches on his skin. Looks almost like abrasions and
his skin feels rough like the slime coat is missing in those spots.
I wonder if his flopping around while out of the pond abraded his skin
and now he needs warmth and a raised metabolism to heal. Water temp is
48 degrees.

If the temperature is approaching 50, get some KoiZyme and start putting it
in the pond to prevent infection. There are no substitutes, and it is the
best stuff that I have found. It does require the water temperature to be
50 degrees and higher.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"free.teranews.com" wrote in message
s.com...
In article , dr-
says...
leave him out in the pond, dont raise the temperature cause his gills
are the most
affected. cold water holds more oxygen and there is less demand by his
body for
oxygen at lower temps, lower metabolism.
DO check your water quality parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and
pH ...
something made him jump, could be spawning, could be predators.
and add some salt to teh pond if you dont have it in there already...
around 1 lb per
100 gallons. he should come around in 48 hours or so. INgrid

(Larry) wrote:

I have a 10" Koi who was out of the pond when I got home tonight. Not
completely dry but not breathing. Got him back in water and moved him
by hand to get some water flowing through gills. He started breathing
but still very weak. He's on side and having difficulty moving at all.
tends to drift down but is breathing. Water temp is about 40 degrees.
Pond has a pump filter and I put him in the flow from the pump where
it re-enters the water.
Am I stressing him too much by moving him around?
Should I move him to warmer water?
If so, should it be done immediately and how fast do I raise the
temperature?
Will it stress him or subject him diseases?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

I added salt and did not raise the temperature. He continues to breath
but he has red splotches on his skin. Looks almost like abrasions and
his skin feels rough like the slime coat is missing in those spots.
I wonder if his flopping around while out of the pond abraded his skin
and now he needs warmth and a raised metabolism to heal. Water temp is
48 degrees.

yes, bring the temp up to 60o and put some salt in the water. if you can get
polyaqua, that would be good. you are correct, he lost his slime coat from flopping
around. Ingrid

free.teranews.com wrote:
I added salt and did not raise the temperature. He continues to breath
but he has red splotches on his skin. Looks almost like abrasions and
his skin feels rough like the slime coat is missing in those spots.
I wonder if his flopping around while out of the pond abraded his skin
and now he needs warmth and a raised metabolism to heal. Water temp is
48 degrees.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.