filtration?

hey everyone. i have been constantly researching and working on my new
outdoor pond. its 13x13 round and about 16-18 inches deep. There is no
natural shade to my pond, so im adding lots of lilly pads and other plants
to help that.
ok, as of right now... the pond is a green/brown color and doesnt seem to
be clearing what so ever. Whats the best way to fiter a pond.
right now i have 2 pretty strong pumps pushing water up into a large
container lined with filter material with a large hole in the side to allow
the filtered water to exit the container into my river/waterfall.
is there a better way, without buying a system, to filer my water? or is
this just a matter of time?
thanx!!

Time. How long have you been moving the water thru the up flow filter you
made? ~ jan

On Sat, 15 May 2004 04:11:21 GMT, "Destroyallx" wrote:

hey everyone. i have been constantly researching and working on my new
outdoor pond. its 13x13 round and about 16-18 inches deep. There is no
natural shade to my pond, so im adding lots of lilly pads and other plants
to help that.
ok, as of right now... the pond is a green/brown color and doesnt seem to
be clearing what so ever. Whats the best way to fiter a pond.
right now i have 2 pretty strong pumps pushing water up into a large
container lined with filter material with a large hole in the side to allow
the filtered water to exit the container into my river/waterfall.
is there a better way, without buying a system, to filer my water? or is
this just a matter of time?
thanx!!


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

about a month or so.. i added more lillies today. my main problem.. i
believe is the filtration though.but i also do believe time may be a
factor.. i heard that i should fill my filter container with small pebbles,
rocks, pea gravel etc. and have it surrounded by a filter material.. would
this help?
im really sick of looking a green pond!
...all though it kinda is myfault by choosing a very hot sunny
location.....


"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
Time. How long have you been moving the water thru the up flow filter you
made? ~ jan

On Sat, 15 May 2004 04:11:21 GMT, "Destroyallx"
wrote:

hey everyone. i have been constantly researching and working on my new
outdoor pond. its 13x13 round and about 16-18 inches deep. There is no
natural shade to my pond, so im adding lots of lilly pads and other
plants
to help that.
ok, as of right now... the pond is a green/brown color and doesnt seem
to
be clearing what so ever. Whats the best way to fiter a pond.
right now i have 2 pretty strong pumps pushing water up into a large
container lined with filter material with a large hole in the side to
allow
the filtered water to exit the container into my river/waterfall.
is there a better way, without buying a system, to filer my water? or
is
this just a matter of time?
thanx!!


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

Plants like hyacinth or water celery will pull the nutrients faster than
lillies and with cover the pond faster. Hyacinth floats. Celery has great
root systems, but finds the bottom.

Jim

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"Destroyallx" wrote in message
...
hey everyone. i have been constantly researching and working on my new
outdoor pond. its 13x13 round and about 16-18 inches deep. There is no
natural shade to my pond, so im adding lots of lilly pads and other plants
to help that.
ok, as of right now... the pond is a green/brown color and doesnt seem
to
be clearing what so ever. Whats the best way to fiter a pond.
right now i have 2 pretty strong pumps pushing water up into a large
container lined with filter material with a large hole in the side to
allow
the filtered water to exit the container into my river/waterfall.
is there a better way, without buying a system, to filer my water? or
is
this just a matter of time?
thanx!!

Destroyallx wrote i heard that i should fill my filter container with small
pebbles,
rocks, pea gravel etc. and have it surrounded by a filter material.. would
this help?
im really sick of looking a green pond!

No, don't fill the filter box with rocks - is way too hard to clean! Unless you
want to combine ponding with a weight lifting program...
A good light weight alternative is black vinyl screening available at the
hardware store. Sew bags out of it and stuff them full of the screening.
This will act as a mechanical filter (catch gunk)
and a biological filter (convert fishy ammonia).
Best green water filter is a plant filter. Watch for BV, Bonnies and Ingrid
Solo's posts and check their websites.
(Someday I'm going to add those sites to my green water tips...)

For green water study the below posted green water tips (quizzes are given
every third Monday ;-)


Algae fighting tips
~ Nutrients for all forms of algae are sun, new water, fish waste, fertilized
run off, rotting plants, blown in dirt.
~ New ponds and spring ponds need time for plants to get established, algae is
quicker at getting going.
~ add plants, of any kind, in the pond. Especially underwater plants.
~ Shade is good - provided by lily pads, floating plants or artificial shade
for part of the day.
~ LOW fish stocking (20 gallons per goldfish, 100 per koi after starting with
1,000 gallons) and *not* overfeeding the fish. Too many fish and too much
feeding is probably responsible for most pea soup water, followed closely by
too much decaying plant matter, sludge and overall gunk in the water
~ adding a combination mechanical and biological filter to screen gunk and
convert fishy ammonia waste for fish health.
~ build a veggie filter, to run water through plants, as easy as floating water
hyacinth in your filter.
~ clean up dead plant matter and screen for falling leaves
in the fall. Clean out the pond once a year.
~ water movement, occasional water changes of 10%
~ add a sludge consumer, concentrated bacteria.
many rec.ponders use http://www.united-tech.com/m-aq4u-toc.html
~ Check your pH, too high, over 8.8, or too low, under 6.4, and most higher
plant forms can't take up the nutrients.
~ building ponds with bottom drains and skimmers.
~ do not use algaecides, they only make lots of suddenly dead algae
and that will feed the next algae bloom.
~ do not worry about algae that grows on things (substrate algae) this is good
for a pond
~ gently remove string algae
~ UV lights work on suspended algae (green water) - does cost some $$.
~ patience and time ;-)


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

what do you know about creating a plant filter?..
im going to go take some pictures of my pond now and put them online and
maybe anyone who has ideas for me could let me know!!
thanx!!

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
Destroyallx wrote i heard that i should fill my filter container with
small
pebbles,
rocks, pea gravel etc. and have it surrounded by a filter material.. would
this help?
im really sick of looking a green pond!

No, don't fill the filter box with rocks - is way too hard to clean!
Unless you
want to combine ponding with a weight lifting program...
A good light weight alternative is black vinyl screening available at the
hardware store. Sew bags out of it and stuff them full of the screening.
This will act as a mechanical filter (catch gunk)
and a biological filter (convert fishy ammonia).
Best green water filter is a plant filter. Watch for BV, Bonnies and
Ingrid
Solo's posts and check their websites.
(Someday I'm going to add those sites to my green water tips...)

For green water study the below posted green water tips (quizzes are given
every third Monday ;-)


Algae fighting tips
~ Nutrients for all forms of algae are sun, new water, fish waste,
fertilized
run off, rotting plants, blown in dirt.
~ New ponds and spring ponds need time for plants to get established,
algae is
quicker at getting going.
~ add plants, of any kind, in the pond. Especially underwater plants.
~ Shade is good - provided by lily pads, floating plants or artificial
shade
for part of the day.
~ LOW fish stocking (20 gallons per goldfish, 100 per koi after starting
with
1,000 gallons) and *not* overfeeding the fish. Too many fish and too much
feeding is probably responsible for most pea soup water, followed closely
by
too much decaying plant matter, sludge and overall gunk in the water
~ adding a combination mechanical and biological filter to screen gunk and
convert fishy ammonia waste for fish health.
~ build a veggie filter, to run water through plants, as easy as floating
water
hyacinth in your filter.
~ clean up dead plant matter and screen for falling leaves
in the fall. Clean out the pond once a year.
~ water movement, occasional water changes of 10%
~ add a sludge consumer, concentrated bacteria.
many rec.ponders use http://www.united-tech.com/m-aq4u-toc.html
~ Check your pH, too high, over 8.8, or too low, under 6.4, and most
higher
plant forms can't take up the nutrients.
~ building ponds with bottom drains and skimmers.
~ do not use algaecides, they only make lots of suddenly dead algae
and that will feed the next algae bloom.
~ do not worry about algae that grows on things (substrate algae) this is
good
for a pond
~ gently remove string algae
~ UV lights work on suspended algae (green water) - does cost some $$.
~ patience and time ;-)


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

the essence of a plant filter is a water proof container with the water from the pond
being pumped in one end flowing thru the roots of various plants and flowing back
into the pond at the other end.
It needs to be long enough that solids settle to the bottom OR have filter material
that will slow or hold the solids (and get rinsed out periodically).
It needs plants of different kinds to maximize removal of all wastes.
it needs sufficient amount of plants to remove in one day all the wastes produced by
the fish load in one day.
it needs plants with extensive roots and/or plants that get big so they used up more
nutrients.
it needs to be only 8-12" deep so it doesnt go anaerobic.
Ingrid

"Destroyallx" wrote:
what do you know about creating a plant filter?..
im going to go take some pictures of my pond now and put them online and
maybe anyone who has ideas for me could let me know!!
thanx!!


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