Tank of doom :-(

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:35:15 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Mister Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:08:36 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Flavobacterium can cause wipeouts like you're describing with few or no
external signs. Velvet can too, if you miss the sometimes subtle
symptoms. Can you get antibiotic food where you live? Salt might be
good to use instead of Myxazin, since it doesn't seem to be working.
You could try PimaFix too.

According to Pimafix literature, it appears like it was designed to
work best in tandem with Melafix. They're really not too clear on
this, but I would use both together.

The examples in the patent used PimaFix alone, including the study where
they got a little bit of efficacy against Flavobacterium.

I do wish that API, and a couple of other companies, would provide
comprehensive and scientific information with their products - I think
Mardel does, probably some others, but oversimplifying causes more
confusion and misuse of their product than does overly technical.

-- Mister Gardener

Mister Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:35:15 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Mister Gardener wrote:
According to Pimafix literature, it appears like it was designed to
work best in tandem with Melafix. They're really not too clear on
this, but I would use both together.

The examples in the patent used PimaFix alone, including the study where
they got a little bit of efficacy against Flavobacterium.

I do wish that API, and a couple of other companies, would provide
comprehensive and scientific information with their products - I think
Mardel does, probably some others, but oversimplifying causes more
confusion and misuse of their product than does overly technical.

No kidding. One shouldn't have to go to the patent to even find the
ingredients!

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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:46:30 +0100, Daniel Morrow
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The
general consensus here (according to what I have read about your thread
already) is that your tank isn't cycled yet and the ammonia emitted by
your
fish is causing ammonia/nitrite build up which kills fish. And nitrAte
will
do the same after it builds up to critical levels (different fish seemto
have different thresholds with nitrAte). I guess you MIGHT have cycled
your
tank already

During this whole 2 week episode, I have been doing Nitrite and Amonia
tests, Initially there was a smalling nitrite build up, nothing major, but
nothing else. I have done water changes as a precaution, and both nitrite
and amonia tests were then fine.

As I see it, either my 5 remaining fish die, and a i start again, or they
don't and I start with 5 fish. I have a suspicion that these problems
were introduced into my very stable tank, by some fish I bought from my
local store abotu 8 weeks ago. Perhaps they had desiese, and it's spread,
gathering pace??

Either way, I will post the outcome from all this...


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Black Shuck wrote:

During this whole 2 week episode, I have been doing Nitrite and Amonia
tests, Initially there was a smalling nitrite build up, nothing major,
but nothing else. I have done water changes as a precaution, and both
nitrite and amonia tests were then fine.

As I see it, either my 5 remaining fish die, and a i start again, or
they don't and I start with 5 fish. I have a suspicion that these
problems were introduced into my very stable tank, by some fish I
bought from my local store abotu 8 weeks ago. Perhaps they had
desiese, and it's spread, gathering pace??

That's likely what happened. What an awful experience. I hope your
remaining fish make it.

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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:53:20 +0100, Altum
wrote:

Black Shuck wrote:

During this whole 2 week episode, I have been doing Nitrite and Amonia
tests, Initially there was a smalling nitrite build up, nothing major,
but nothing else. I have done water changes as a precaution, and both
nitrite and amonia tests were then fine.
As I see it, either my 5 remaining fish die, and a i start again, or
they don't and I start with 5 fish. I have a suspicion that these
problems were introduced into my very stable tank, by some fish I
bought from my local store abotu 8 weeks ago. Perhaps they had
desiese, and it's spread, gathering pace??

That's likely what happened. What an awful experience. I hope your
remaining fish make it.



down to 1 single fish now. The others died in the night. Have moved him
back to the new tank, but I don't fancy his chances... :-(

Have a knowledgeable collegue at work, who is a ex- fish scientist (MAFF
in the UK), he said take a couple fo dead fish into work, and will look
uner a microscope, see if it's a parasite infection.

The only thing I can hope to get from all this, is an answer...

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:55:59 +0100, "Black Shuck"
wrote:



Have a knowledgeable collegue at work, who is a ex- fish scientist (MAFF
in the UK), he said take a couple fo dead fish into work, and will look
uner a microscope, see if it's a parasite infection.

The only thing I can hope to get from all this, is an answer...

Wow. What a neat kind of friend - take advantage of him any way you
can.

-- Mister Gardener

Black Shuck wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:53:20 +0100, Altum
wrote:

Black Shuck wrote:

During this whole 2 week episode, I have been doing Nitrite and
Amonia tests, Initially there was a smalling nitrite build up,
nothing major, but nothing else. I have done water changes as a
precaution, and both nitrite and amonia tests were then fine.
As I see it, either my 5 remaining fish die, and a i start again,
or they don't and I start with 5 fish. I have a suspicion that
these problems were introduced into my very stable tank, by some
fish I bought from my local store abotu 8 weeks ago. Perhaps they
had desiese, and it's spread, gathering pace??

That's likely what happened. What an awful experience. I hope your
remaining fish make it.



down to 1 single fish now. The others died in the night. Have moved
him back to the new tank, but I don't fancy his chances... :-(

Have a knowledgeable collegue at work, who is a ex- fish scientist
(MAFF in the UK), he said take a couple fo dead fish into work, and will
look uner a microscope, see if it's a parasite infection.

The only thing I can hope to get from all this, is an answer...

Um... I'm mot sure I would have put the last fish into the newly cleaned
tank. You might want to return him to the quarantine tub since the
disease seems contagions.

I hope your friend figures something out. It's so sad, and I'm sorry
about all the fish you lost...

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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:20:28 +0100, Altum
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Um... I'm mot sure I would have put the last fish into the newly cleaned
tank. You might want to return him to the quarantine tub since the
disease seems contagions.

I hope your friend figures something out. It's so sad, and I'm sorry
about all the fish you lost...


Well the last fish is now exhibiting the same symptoms as all the others,
inability to swim properly, swimming upside down etc. So it's almost his
time to meet the maker.

How should I sterilise the tank, to eradicate whatever has wiped out my
entire fish stock...

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How should I sterilise the tank, to eradicate whatever has wiped out my
entire fish stock...
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Chlorine bleach is excellent for the tank and accessories. I use about 1/4
cup per 2 to 3 gallons of water and leave it for hours. Rinse well and air
before reuse. You can thoroughly rinse then boil or bake the gravel.
Plants have to be trashed as there is no way to really sterilize them as far
as I know. Someone told me Potassium Permanganate can do the job at double
the recommended dose used in tanks and ponds. I would rather toss them and
buy new ones.

BTW, there shouldn't be fish in plant tanks at the store. If there is you
may bring home a disease on the plants.
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