Please Help Pond Fish Dieing

The pond is at the lowestpoint,but it does seem what ever it is canot
get to the top pond, via the pump and filter. this ring any bells ?
salt also seems to hold it off for a few months.

joe wrote in message ...
Yes, good thinking. Something heavier than water. Perhaps you could get a
pump to the lowest point of the pond an pump out some of the water. Don't
forget to add dechlor when you add water.

Joe

dkat wrote:

If you are only having die off in the lower pond, then I would suspect some
type of ground runoff (pesticide?) that is collecting in the bottom pond but
either from the filtering or exposure to air going into the upper pond does
not or has not to this point made the concentration yet to bother the upper
pond....



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Is the pump that moves water from the lower pond to the upper pond at the
lowest point in the lower pond? In other words, is it possible there is
stagnant water?

Joe

Gallandro wrote:

The pond is at the lowestpoint,but it does seem what ever it is canot
get to the top pond, via the pump and filter. this ring any bells ?
salt also seems to hold it off for a few months.

joe wrote in message
...
Yes, good thinking. Something heavier than water. Perhaps you could get a
pump to the lowest point of the pond an pump out some of the water. Don't
forget to add dechlor when you add water.

Joe

dkat wrote:

If you are only having die off in the lower pond, then I would suspect some
type of ground runoff (pesticide?) that is collecting in the bottom pond but
either from the filtering or exposure to air going into the upper pond does
not or has not to this point made the concentration yet to bother the upper
pond....




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Is the pump that moves water from the lower pond to the upper pond at the
lowest point in the lower pond? In other words, is it possible there is
stagnant water?

Joe

Gallandro wrote:

The pond is at the lowestpoint,but it does seem what ever it is canot
get to the top pond, via the pump and filter. this ring any bells ?
salt also seems to hold it off for a few months.

joe wrote in message
...
Yes, good thinking. Something heavier than water. Perhaps you could get a
pump to the lowest point of the pond an pump out some of the water. Don't
forget to add dechlor when you add water.

Joe

dkat wrote:

If you are only having die off in the lower pond, then I would suspect some
type of ground runoff (pesticide?) that is collecting in the bottom pond but
either from the filtering or exposure to air going into the upper pond does
not or has not to this point made the concentration yet to bother the upper
pond....




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Ditto. Where in the pond system is the sample being taken?

And I see I need to add one more question to my sick fish form.

What is your KH?

I think when you test for that, being that you're using rainwater that has
no buffer, you will find your problem. Another way to check buffer (or lack
there of) is test the pH at dawn & dust, if your pH fluctuates more than
0.4 you do not have enough buffer. To add buffer use common baking soda,
but check it with a KH tester first, and make sure there is NO ammonia in
the system.

How old are your test kits, are they reading the same as the shop?

I have a similar pond set up only smaller, one pond feeding into another,
my water chemistry was off just a tad this spring, and it was the lower
fish who got sick. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:24:45 GMT, GD wrote:

From your earlier description of the two ponds: your system filters
water from the bottom pond and dumps that back into the top pond.
Effectively, the water that supplies the bottom pond is unfiltered (it
includes wastes from fish in the top pond. You state that ammonia is
0. Is this true of both ponds? And, have you checked the ammonia
(and other parameters) after the fish began suffering? If ammonia
levels exceed 0.5 mg/L, fish may clamp fins and are much more
susceptile to disease and other environmental stresses.


(Gallandro) wrote:

The only thing I can come up with is maybe it is Costia ? although
there is no redness or gulping for air. but they do go off there
food, retreat to the bottom of the pond before comming up to die.

Ditto. Where in the pond system is the sample being taken?

And I see I need to add one more question to my sick fish form.

What is your KH?

I think when you test for that, being that you're using rainwater that has
no buffer, you will find your problem. Another way to check buffer (or lack
there of) is test the pH at dawn & dust, if your pH fluctuates more than
0.4 you do not have enough buffer. To add buffer use common baking soda,
but check it with a KH tester first, and make sure there is NO ammonia in
the system.

How old are your test kits, are they reading the same as the shop?

I have a similar pond set up only smaller, one pond feeding into another,
my water chemistry was off just a tad this spring, and it was the lower
fish who got sick. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website


On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:24:45 GMT, GD wrote:

From your earlier description of the two ponds: your system filters
water from the bottom pond and dumps that back into the top pond.
Effectively, the water that supplies the bottom pond is unfiltered (it
includes wastes from fish in the top pond. You state that ammonia is
0. Is this true of both ponds? And, have you checked the ammonia
(and other parameters) after the fish began suffering? If ammonia
levels exceed 0.5 mg/L, fish may clamp fins and are much more
susceptile to disease and other environmental stresses.


(Gallandro) wrote:

The only thing I can come up with is maybe it is Costia ? although
there is no redness or gulping for air. but they do go off there
food, retreat to the bottom of the pond before comming up to die.